(Transcript) WX Drama Report: Tig Ol’ Bitties

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[00:00:00] Gabriel: Hey everyone, Gabriel here. Just wanted to give you a quick heads up that this episode is not safe for work. So if you’ve got little ears around, or you’re out in public where you’d rather not have everyone listening alongside you, I’d wait until you have headphones on, you’re in the car, etc. Hope you enjoy the episode.

[00:00:18] Gabriel: Welcome to another episode of the WX Drama Report that has been successfully tanked by Alferia. So our favorite continent already off to rare form. Appreciate it, buddy.

[00:00:29] Alferia: Love me too.

[00:00:30] Gabriel: Really excited to be back in doing these episodes. They took a very long hiatus. I won’t get into all the nuts and bolts of it. I’ve talked about it before; I got super busy with work and Chaser Chat kind of had to take a back seat. So this actually represents a real turning point in the Chaser Chat brand, as far as I’m concerned, because these things are back, and I have every confidence in the world that they are going to be better than ever, because we have a wonderful ensemble of characters, and I do mean characters, to bring you the hot takes this evening, or I guess day if that’s when you happen to be listening to the show. Of course, myself, no shortage of opinions, but then we also have Uncle Shane Adams, everybody’s favorite WX curmudgeon. How you doing tonight, man?

[00:01:15] Uncle Shane: I am good. Nice introduction. I appreciate that.

[00:01:18] Gabriel: I’m just assuming you’re everybody’s favorite WX curmudgeon, but-

[00:01:21] Uncle Shane: No, it’s great to be here. Uncle Shane It’s going to be fun to drink alcohol and talk shit.

[00:01:26] Gabriel: Of course, Algeria needs no introduction. I was going to introduce you and just, what do you mean you feel left out? You not know?

[00:01:33] Kay: No, everybody else is drinking right now.

[00:01:35] Uncle Shane: You can sneak off, you can sneak off later.

[00:01:37] Kay: Oh, don’t tempt me, dude.

[00:01:39] Gabriel: So Algeria how are you doing my friend?

[00:01:41] Alferia: I am not dead, I swear to god I’m actually trying to work on videos, please stop harassing me, thanks.

[00:01:47] Gabriel: By the way, you threatened to drink some alcohol earlier, and I’m like 94% confident that’s actually illegal. You say you’re 21, but I don’t believe that.

[00:01:55] Alferia: I am.

[00:01:56] Uncle Shane: He’s as good live as he’s on as he is on on record.

[00:01:59] Gabriel: I thought you had to be 21… Yeah, I guess that’s true, you do have to be like 21 to buy those big boobied anime plushies that you have, right?

[00:02:07] Uncle Shane: Really?

[00:02:07] Kay: Wait, do you actually?

[00:02:09] Gabriel: Something like that. Oh my, yeah. Don’t follow Alferia’s Twitter feed if you don’t know. Anyways…

[00:02:14] Kay: No, I meant, do you actually have to be 21 for that? I thought that was just an 18 and up thing.

[00:02:19] [Garbled]

[00:02:21] Alferia: And the pillows, like all that’s required is if you’re doing it online is, oh, do you have an address? If yes, you can buy it.

[00:02:28] Gabriel: And of course, last but certainly not least, we’ve got Kay. Kay, how are you doing here today?

[00:02:33] Kay: I’m here.

[00:02:35] Gabriel: Awesome. That fills my heart with joy. I’m glad you’re not somewhere else.

[00:02:39] Kay: Aw, thanks. That makes me feel good.

[00:02:41] Gabriel: Alright, enough with the introductions. And by the way, Rosie Vortex is going to be joining us at some point because we have a topic that is specifically related to her that she has to be on the show to give her opinion on. So we’re going to make sure that she joins at some point, but she’s not here for the introduction because I don’t know what she was doing. Eastern Ohio people, they live in the mountains. Who knows what the fuck she’s up to.

[00:03:01] Uncle Shane: Ordering pizza.

[00:03:02] Kay: Chasing Bigfoot. Oh wait, that’s me .

[00:03:05] Gabriel: The ordering pizza joke by the way. Nice little callback because when we first started recording I was asking where she was and I called her and then pretended I was ordering a pizza and she actually thought that I was calling the wrong number, trying to order a pizza.

[00:03:18] Uncle Shane: That was a great introduction to the show. That should have been the show

[00:03:21] Gabriel: It should have. I wish I had already pressed recording. Absolutely.

[00:03:24] Alferia: I have Nvidia instant replay, so I could send that clip to you.

[00:03:26] Gabriel: Wait, are you recording me, Alferia? Don’t you have to hit the line-

[00:03:29] Alferia: No, it’s NVIDIA Instant Replay, essentially what it does is that it has like a cache of five minutes of like continuous recording and you can press a key button and it saves the past five minutes of everything that’s happened on your computer.

[00:03:43] Uncle Shane: Must have-

[00:03:44] Alferia: The correct video-

[00:03:45] Uncle Shane: written consent of Chaser Chat, Inc.

[00:03:47] Gabriel: That’s what I was gonna say, like I feel like we have a legal case pending now.

[00:03:51] Kay: Hey, Alferia.

[00:03:52] Gabriel: I did not authorize this.

[00:03:54] Kay: I’m an owner of Chaser Chat. You have permission.

[00:03:57] Uncle Shane: And that’s that.

[00:03:58] Gabriel: Alright, let’s go ahead and jump right into the topic. The first one, this is an oldie, but a goodie. If we had been doing these monthly, like we’re going to be doing them now, or at least we’re going to try to do them monthly. I can’t always promise with my schedule, but let’s say between you and I, the listener at home, I’m at least going to try for one every two months. I’m going to really try hard to do one every month, but no longer than two months, because there’s some WX drama that gets a little out of hand. We got to give some opinions on it. The first thing is, Reed Timmer accidentally, here’s the thing I want to get into, I’m not sure if it was accidentally, posting a picture of himself enjoying, let’s say, a different type of mammatus. And it absolutely set WX Twitter a blaze.

[00:04:37] Uncle Shane: Oh my God.

[00:04:38] Gabriel: I’ve got some thoughts on it, but I’m gonna just throw it out there. I’m gonna leave it on the floor. Whoever wants to pick it up and start running with it, go right ahead.

[00:04:46] Alferia: All right. So as the- [Garbled] I am the exact person who should comment on this, obviously as Weather Twitter’s Weeb (TM)- patent pending. I was actually in Talladega with a friend of mine when that dropped, and then someone showed it to me, and I said “Ha, that’s funny”, and then I went about my day. Shocker, I know.

[00:05:10] Gabriel: That is the most anti climatic take I’ve ever heard.

[00:05:13] Kay: It really is, actually.

[00:05:16] Alferia: It’s just the outrage from it just feels so manufacturative. “Oh, think of the children!: I’m like, uh huh… think of the children. Sure. That’s where you’re going with this? Because you have to be 13 and up in order to be on any social media website, technically, it doesn’t stop people, but it’s just a general rule of thumb.

[00:05:36] Kay: Just to point this out real quick, how old is Reed again?

[00:05:40] Alferia: Old.?

[00:05:41] Kay: It doesn’t, yeah, it doesn’t matter, he’s a fucking adult. If he wants to go and enjoy some mammatus, go ahead, as long as it’s obviously consensual.

[00:05:49] Alferia: And you don’t have a guy game incident where your game gets taken off the shelves.

[00:05:53] Gabriel: Shane, as a person who, if I could call back to your interview on Chaser Chat from a couple of years ago, I know that you are a mammatus purveyor of sorts. So what were your thoughts when this dropped? I know you have to have at least something of an opinion.

[00:06:08] Uncle Shane: Yeah. I did a 10 minute off the cup diatribe about this to myself in the shower when I was preparing for DCS episode two, back when I was going to include a bit on this and I just scrapped it. But, you got all these little dweebies that I have taken so much shit over the years because I give them so much shit. And they deserve it. They deserve far more than I’ll ever be able to give them in my lifetime, and you can print that. But what I took away from it was, you have this picture of Reed Timmer next to an attractive lady with large breasts and all they took from it was what’s wrong with Reed? What’s Reed doing? Why did Reed post this? Is Reed in trouble? I thought that maybe it was like one of those situations, but he was having like some, some serious Mental issues and I was going “oh my god, what’s going on?” Then I saw that picture and I’m like really? That’s it. You dry dicked, prepubescent little bastards who couldn’t find your way around a vagina with a schematic, just stop, just fucking stop, man. It’s just I get it if you’re like 13, 14, 15, but if you’re 16, 17, 18, and you’re still in that, go figure out what women are. Seriously, get out of the house. Touch some grass, touch some fuckin ass.

[00:07:13] Gabriel: Touch some grass that hasn’t been ground scoured.

[00:07:15] Uncle Shane: Yeah. But that’s basically, yeah, that’s basically it, man. I could do this for 15 minutes, but it’s, we were, we’re under a time restraint. So yeah, just, man, come on.

[00:07:24] Gabriel: By the way, what was very interesting to me about what you just said is, I did not know people were like, “is Reed okay? Is Reed in trouble?” I want to be in trouble too, if that’s the case. I’d have no problem with that.

[00:07:33] Uncle Shane: Exactly. Uncle Shane needs a little bit of trouble.

[00:07:36] Gabriel: Yeah, that’s the kind of trouble I’m looking for.

[00:07:38] Kay: I just, I genuinely saw that because I went on to Twitter after the tweet was deleted, right? And I was like, oh shit, what did Reed do? I’m over here actually concerned about something serious happening. Come to find out. No, he just. I don’t even know. Did he have a one night stand? If he did, who cares? But that’s not the point. The point is, y’all reacted like he had, I just, y’all.

[00:08:04] Uncle Shane: Yeah, exactly.

[00:08:04] Gabriel: I was gonna say, are you turning into Ryan Hall over here? What’s going on?

[00:08:08] Kay: He’s an adult. Why is this such a big deal?

[00:08:13] Uncle Shane: They all think the stork brought them.

[00:08:16] Kay: Oh, did they not? Oh, shit.

[00:08:18] Gabriel: What I really hope this is, I hope it’s pointing towards a broader shift in the storm chaser celebrity, we’ll call it ecosphere or whatnot, where if you’re a rock star, this is just what you expect after the concert, right? This is like the spoils of victory after you’ve been rocking out on stage. I’m hoping this is just like what happens. You catch a tornado, you know this is what you get to go hang out and do after the after party. It sounds a lot better than Applebee’s as far as I’m concerned.

[00:08:44] Uncle Shane: Yeah, their menu is very limited

[00:08:47] Gabriel: We need to get storm chaser groupies. Just follow along with the-

[00:08:50] Uncle Shane: To the room, or me? Oh oh, you know what? Situational answer, but I’d have to see what the actual situation is.

[00:08:57] Kay: As a sidebar I did just go on to the Chaser Chat Discord page and look the picture up again, cause it’s still there. From the perspective of a woman, that’s gotta be uncomfortable how big her boobs are.

[00:09:09] Uncle Shane: Yeah, she’s probably, what, 27? She gets in her 40s, there’s gonna be some back problems.

[00:09:14] Kay: Yeah.

[00:09:15] Gabriel: I love that Shane has that pinpointed. I saw this video on an Instagram reel of this kid who, you know, like how they’ll have those like really impressive videos of somebody who’s like speed running a video game or something. He was like speed running, naming different porn stars with nothing but like their face picture would pop up and he’d say it. And it just struck me as this kid has a superpower, and now it’s Shane is just ah, he just looks at him. Doesn’t even need to see her face. Just looks at like the shape of the composition of the mammatus, and he’s just 27 right there.

[00:09:44] Uncle Shane: But what you just said, I really admire that kid who did the porn name run because he cared enough to learn their names. That’s, I think that’s progress.

[00:09:52] Kay: That’s polite.

[00:09:53] Alferia: To quote Sinron Kagura’s creator: “tits are life, ass is hometown”. If you’re an adult, do whatever you want. I don’t care.

[00:10:02] Kay: Which brings me to Alferia’s exact quote in the Chaser Chat discord. “Reed is a fucking adult, people need to grow up, titties are titties”. And yes, they are indeed titties. I just am worried about the woman’s poor back at this point, because that’s gonna, she’s gonna get to her 40s like Shane said, and she’s gonna have a lot of problems.

[00:10:22] Uncle Shane: She’ll probably get a reduction though. I think that’s… going the other way has become more popular in recent years than the enhancement. I know. I’m, I know. I’m, you’re not a fan of that.

[00:10:31] Gabriel: I was going to say, no, just don’t put that out there, man. Like you’ve heard of that whole, like you can manifest certain things just by putting the like idea out there into the ether. I don’t, it might be true, but we don’t have to encourage it.

[00:10:41] Kay: Do you know how many health problems, nah I’m gonna get real here, do you know how many health problems having big boobs actually can cause?

[00:10:48] Uncle Shane: Oh yeah, I don’t know personally, but I’ve heard of people who have this problem.

[00:10:51] Kay: The answer is a lot.

[00:10:53] [Garbled]

[00:10:55] Gabriel: Their health problems are a sacrifice I’m willing to make.

[00:10:59] Kay: Okay, that’s good, you’re a great person.

[00:11:01] Uncle Shane: You could use helium to lighten the load and get the enhancement visually, but then you’ve got the flammable situation. So that could end badly.

[00:11:09] Gabriel: I could just, I could hear it. I was going to say the Hindenburg part.

[00:11:15] Uncle Shane: I’m out. I’m stopping. Good night.

[00:11:16] Gabriel: Alright. We got to move on to the next one. Okay. So the next one, and this is when I already know that I’m going to be breaking rank on, so I fully look forward to all of you absolutely letting me have it, so I’ll just go first. It’s the Laura Loomer slash Team Dominator situation. For those of you who aren’t aware of what happened in the wake of Hurricane Helene’s devastation, there were a lot of people who were obviously traveling to the area in Western North Carolina that had been hit the hardest and they were doing their part to raise awareness for charity, for supplies that needed to be sent out. And Chris Hall and Reed Timmer, of course, I don’t know if Reed was on the ground there. I know Chris Hall was on the ground and he’s part of Team Dominator, and so Reed by extension, who’s also part of Team Dominator, was going to take part in an interview with a very controversial – and by the way, the term far right, far left, that stuff is thrown around all the time nowadays – but I, as someone who’s followed politics very closely for the better part of a decade now, I can confidently say Laura Loomer is absolutely far right. Says a lot of super, super stupid things, and nobody is wrong in pointing that out. But, Chris and Reed were going to go on her show, and they were going to talk about what had been happening in Western North Carolina. They were going to talk about how people could donate or provide other types of relief if they were so inclined, and they absolutely got just berated by social media. People telling them that it was wrong for them to associate their brand with people like that, that it was going to tarnish the entire Team Dominator name, and eventually they ended up getting so much backlash that they, and this was like the part that annoyed me the most, they ended up backing out due to a “scheduling conflict”, which everybody knows that’s like when you hear a politician who’s stepping down to spend more time with his family, like we all fucking know what that means. It has nothing to do with their family. And so they decided not to go on laura Loomer’s show anymore. Obviously, it’s a free country. They can do that if they want. But I just thought the way the WX was gross, the way people piled on, if it was normal times and Laura Loomer, just wanted to have them on to talk about like Team Dominator and what it was they do out there when they’re chasing storms and everything, like I could see at least a case being made for why you would say something like that. But in a time of crisis, when somebody is specifically trying to relay a message about how to help those who have been affected by a disaster, I just feel like it’s really gross to try and curtail those efforts in any way, shape, or form.

[00:13:43] After the dust has settled, after the people have been relocated, after the towns have been rebuilt, after everybody makes sure people are safe and have something to eat and a place to stay, that’s when you can like retroactively go back and sort out the wheat from the chaff. But I just really thought that was a really poor look for the WX community on a national stage, by the way. Because Laura Loomer, love her or hate her, she’s bigger than any fucking person in the WX community, and that includes people like Jim Cantore and Reed Timmer just based on the audience and the following that she has and the people that she actually rubs shoulders with. I think until a month or two ago until she got accused of sucking Donald Trump’s Cock and quietly-

[00:14:20] Kay: What!?

[00:14:20] Gabriel: pushed off and quietly pushed off the campaign trail. I think she was like actually like rubbing shoulders with him on a daily basis. By the way, that, that’s all circumstance and heresay.

[00:14:29] Uncle Shane: …believe that?

[00:14:30] Gabriel: The circles that I roll with politically speaking, like I heard that. So anyways, that was a super long diatribe. I’m not gonna say anything more. I’m gonna seed the floor to, oh, you guys go right ahead.

[00:14:39] Alferia: So as someone who is… yeah, this is gonna delve into politics a bit, someone who’s center-left on a lot of things, the big issue that I had was, and this is the concern that I think a lot of what the Twitter had concern with, is that Laura Loomer said that it wasn’t gonna involve politics, but it’s Laura fucking Loomer. She was probably not gonna keep her word on it, and my reason for believing that is just look at her track record, at what she has said. She is completely unhinged and is so unhinged that Marjorie Taylor Greene called her out.

[00:15:12] Kay: You have to really have fucked up to get Marjorie Taylor Greene to say you’re a fucking idiot.

[00:15:18] Uncle Shane: Pot, meet Kettle.

[00:15:20] Alferia: And, following Helene, this wasn’t like, a couple months after Helene, this was relatively recent after, the genuine concern was that Laura Loomer was going to twist it into a “Oh, the feds aren’t going to do anything about this, vote Trump 2024, because he will fix all of this!” That was the genuine concern from my point of view. And with all of that misinformation that was happening around that time, which we also know is now coming from Russia, did they need to give that side more ammo to deal with in that respect? I understand the perspective of, oh, maybe they could have changed some people’s minds, but do you understand how much of an echo chamber you have to be into unironically listen to Laura Loomer?

[00:16:03] Gabriel: Yeah by the way, real quick, since you are responding to what I was saying, just let me pipe in real quick and say that I agree with 90% of what you said there. So we’re not even in disagreement about the larger overall points. I just think that in that specific position that you’re in with that specific opportunity, if something political does come up, then that’s when it’s incumbent on Chris and Reed to steer the conversation back towards let’s just talk about relief efforts. Let’s talk about what people can do. There’s a lot of hearsay. There’s a lot of mis and disinformation that’s happening because it’s a chaotic environment. But to, you can deal with that as it’s happening or even post hoc, like to completely say no thanks and not even allow the opportunity to reach a few million people to happen. That’s I feel like that’s cutting off your nose to spite your face.

[00:16:49] Alferia: The other thing that really put me off was how she ended up responding to it, and that was what really soured my view that she went in with good intentions because the way that she treated it was, Oh, I had billionaires looking at my stream who wouldn’t have, who would have donated if they listened. I’m like, yeah, and you’re telling me by that admission that they weren’t going to donate anyway. So what’s the point?

[00:17:12] Kay: Yeah. So there was, okay. So starting from the beginning, here was the thing. And this is coming from somebody who is pretty staunchly centrist. Like I hate both fucking sides. I hate them to, with a passion that they need to just, Stop talking. My issue with it was that Laura Loomer, Marjorie Taylor Greene, and everybody on that side of the political spectrum were very big proponents for Hurricane Helene was manufactured. So that was strike one on my, with my issue with the whole-

[00:17:45] Gabriel: Well, it was!

[00:17:46] Kay: Yeah. Yeah. I don’t know. Whatever. You – just, no. I’m just not even going to engage that one.

[00:17:51] Uncle Shane: That’s a strike that takes all three strikes. You don’t need another strike after that. That pretty much covers it.

[00:17:56] Kay: Yeah. Pretty much. Yeah.

[00:17:58] Gabriel: I’m sorry, Kay. Go ahead. I’m sorry.

[00:18:00] Kay: We have Reed Timmer, who is a doctorate in meteorology, who genuinely wanted to be there to help people, and then Chris, who has a wide reach of his own to be able to help people afterwards, and I have zero faith in Laura Loomer and her political stance that she would not have twisted to try to convince them to say something that sounded like they agreed with the fact that Helene and Milton were manufactured and that’s just factually incorrect. We know that already. So there’s that. My biggest issue, aside from that, is like, Not everybody pays attention to politics. I pay attention enough to know what’s going on, but politics pisses me off so much that I just don’t engage unless I absolutely have to, and I genuinely think that there’s a civil rights issue that I need to be involved and engaged in. And Reed strikes me as somebody who’s the same person. He flat out came out afterwards and said that he doesn’t pay attention to politics because he’s too busy paying attention to weather. And it’s, I didn’t know who Laura Loomer was until that came up.

[00:19:04] Uncle Shane: Neither did I.

[00:19:05] Kay: It’s one of those things where it’s like you can’t really blame people for not paying attention, and then you educate them afterwards, and hey, maybe this isn’t the person that you should be talking to. That’s great. My biggest, like I said, my biggest issue is just the way that she goes about things. And also, she’s a fucking idiot. Like I said, you have to really royally have messed yourself up to have Marjorie Taylor Greene and the Trump administration say that you’re an idiot. Am I wrong? Hello?

[00:19:32] Uncle Shane: No, I’m just-

[00:19:32] Alferia: No.

[00:19:33] Uncle Shane: You’re, I’m just hearing I’m laughing and nodding,

[00:19:36] Kay: But all that being said, I do to a degree, agree with you, Gabe, that they should have just done it to try to get the word out. But at the same time, like Alferia said if they didn’t do it and that’s what made the billionaires decide not to donate, then they were never going to donate in the first place. And 99% of billionaires are selfish assholes anyway. So…

[00:19:56] Uncle Shane: Yeah., donations are tax write offs. There’s always a benefit. It’s never helping. It’s helping them. That’s just a fact. That sounds like poor guy sour grace, but that’s, corporations and all these commercials, McDonald’s and all this other, they do shit because it helps them. They don’t do it because they give a shit. That’s just the way the world works.

[00:20:12] Gabriel: Since all of you have given a little bit of inkling to your political affiliation, I’ll just say that I know for a fact that I, just from some of the conversations in the Chaser Chat Discord as well, I know for a fact I’m farther right than all of you. And even that being… like Laura Loomer to me, I agree with the assessment that like just incomprehensibly stupid thing after incomprehensibly stupid thing. In fact, like-

[00:20:33] Kay: IQ the size of a gerbil’s.

[00:20:34] Gabriel: Not even incomprehensibly stupid things, like actually things that turn out to be like factually incorrect. Either she had bad information from sources she continues going back to over and over again, or she was outright lying for clout, which we know both of those things happen quite regularly on social media. So even with myself being farther right than everybody here, I agree with that, but I’ll say this in balance if Adolf Hitler himself had a podcast, I would go on it and talk about how to help Hurricane Helene disaster efforts, and then I would worry about whatever fallout came from that after the fact, correcting the record, making a statement, or if he said some stupid stuff like, it was the Jews that caused Hurricane Helene to hit Western North Carolina, I would obviously push back during the podcast.

[00:21:17] Kay: But then you have to trust that they’re not going to edit that portion out. If you’re gonna go and you’re gonna do something like that, let’s say that you are going on Adolf Hitler’s podcast, I don’t know why you would, he sounds like an asshole, you have to trust that their editor is not going to twist your words and make it sound like you’re agreeing with them, and you have to have something going into there that says “I am also allowed to record what I am doing”, because you have to be able to fact check the things that they’re going to pull with that. Because any more now, every side is going to twist things to their narrative to make it work for them. The only thing, it’s like my parents said, right? There’s the truth, and that lies between your story, my story, and what really happened.

[00:21:52] Uncle Shane: Does anybody here think whether Twitter would forsake Reed for more than 24 hours, no matter what he did? No.

[00:21:59] Gabriel: No, obviously not.

[00:22:00] Uncle Shane: That was just a, that was just a bunch of hoo haw. Come on. You guys don’t even know what women are yet. So yeah, you’re gonna, all you- Reed is your women. So you’re not going to forsake the only woman you’ve ever had.

[00:22:09] Kay: Good ‘ol Teed Rimmer. Sidebar, did you guys hear that he’s not allowed to rent for a car from, I think it’s Enterprise now?

[00:22:15] Gabriel: Yeah, that makes sense to me.

[00:22:16] Uncle Shane: Yeah, but I couldn’t because I didn’t have a good enough credit rating. I bring those motherfuckers back cleaner than they were when I got the sons of bitches. But whatever, that’s another episode.

[00:22:24] Alferia: This is a separate thing, Gabe. Does this technically make the second time on Drama Report where Adolf Hitler has come in to the conversation?

[00:22:31] Gabriel: God wins law, my friend. Every time.

[00:22:34] Kay: Wasn’t, isn’t the… oh gosh, I forget like the rule, but the first person to bring up fascism or Nazis loses the conversation.

[00:22:43] Uncle Shane: I don’t know.

[00:22:43] Gabriel: I have heard of something similar that, I know Godwin’s Law, which is if given enough time and conversation, every single topic will eventually go back to Hitler and the Nazis somehow.

[00:22:54] Kay: Yeah, maybe that’s the one that I’m thinking of.

[00:22:55] Uncle Shane: But only since the 40s. Before then it was like, Attila The Hun or something.

[00:22:59] Gabriel: No, I was going to say, except for Time Travelers, right? They always had, anyways, that was a dumb joke. Yeah.

[00:23:05] [Garbled]

[00:23:06] Gabriel: Last thing I want to say about this, Kay, is you are absolutely 100% right, and I actually, I’m not in the business of being particularly helpful to people on the Drama Report, but I will say that recording locally is something you should be doing if you are in any sort of media at all, whether it’s a podcast, whether it’s video. Anytime you don’t control the editing and the post production yourself, always record locally and make sure that you have a copy because yeah, you… especially at this day and age where it’s so easy to create Deep Fakes whether it’s with voice, voicing and video, pictures or whatever, you need to make sure you have some hard copy of whatever you said or did so that way you can defend yourself because yeah it’s getting crazy out there.

[00:23:48] Uncle Shane: I was just saying going old school is just remembering names and faces and where they live.

[00:23:53] Kay: The thing that people need to realize, especially for something like how big Reed is, how big Chris is, and how big Laura Loomer especially is, that if you’re going to agree to go on any kind of podcast, TV show, movie, it doesn’t really matter what form of entertainment it is, have it in writing that you are allowed to also keep records of what all was said, and record locally because not everybody is legally allowed to record conversations right now. It depends on what state you’re in. It also depends on what corporation you’re working for. You need to have it in writing that you’re allowed to do that. And it’s entirely to protect yourself.

[00:24:29] Gabriel: Very good advice. Alright, let’s move on to the next topic: chasers being threatened with arrest during Hurricane Helene. And the reason this was really interesting to me, and Shane, I have a feeling you’re going to have a lot to say on this, so I’m actually going to throw it to you once I’m done sort of bringing the topic in. I feel like this is one of those topics where chasers really start to suffer from a bit of self aggrandizement-

[00:24:53] uncle Shane: Oh!

[00:24:54] Gabriel: -where they’re out chasing, and they’re saving, they’re #savinglives.

[00:24:58] Uncle Shane: Oh yeah, because people not affected need to know.

[00:25:00] Gabriel: And you are just doing God’s work out there, and how dare these small towns that are about to get absolutely fucking walloped have police officers who don’t know who the fuck you are. They don’t know you’re a storm chaser with 50, 000 followers. They don’t know you’re any different from Uncle Cletus who’s driving the wrong way because he doesn’t have a compass to tell him which way to go. And so when they shut down these roads as a public service and they’re trying to funnel people out of the town so they don’t die when the storm surge comes in, just the absolute like… the hubris to… I get it, if in the moment you want to go to the police officer, you’re trying to say Hey unfortunately we’re not allowed to or sorry, the police officer is unfortunately we’re not allowed to let you pass. You’re like, Hey, I’m media. I’m a storm chaser. I’m trained. Could you please let me go or whatever? Could you maybe give me a different route that I could go or some other place that I could go or whatever, like talking to them. I get that. But then to like your first instinct being to go on social media and try to like… I felt like at least, so maybe this isn’t true, maybe this is me reading the situation wrong, to try to make yourself seem like you were being martyred in a certain sense or you were being persecuted by not being allowed to go to these areas where every town is low every different every local town is different. They’re going to have different evacuation procedures, they’re going to have law enforcement that deals with these things differently, and at the root of it all is them trying to minimize the loss of life to people that are about to experience the worst day of their life. And for you to just make it about yourself, I felt like it was in very poor taste.

[00:26:30] Kay: I have thoughts too, but I’ll let Shane go first.

[00:26:32] Alferia: I have many thoughts on this topic.

[00:26:35] Uncle Shane: First of all, Gabe covered it pretty well. Uncle Shane At the end of the day, there is no difference between a storm chaser with 50,000 followers and Cletus the Local, because are you going to drown better than Cletus? Are you going to be hit by flying debris, and lacerated to death on your own stupid livestream better than Cletus? No.

[00:26:51] Kay: I like that we named him Cletus.

[00:26:51] Uncle Shane: Yeah, I like that. I love Dukes of Hazard when I was a kid. Before I knew I didn’t understand, we all got better. But anyway the thing about the hurricane thing is there’s two things: number one, like you said, they’re trying to evacuate people and the people that are smart enough to listen to evacuation orders and obey them are gone. They’re safe. They don’t need live coverage. The people that choose to stay who are in danger, chose to stay, they’re fucking idiots, fuck them. That’s called Darwinism. They don’t need to fucking see live coverage. Who needs to see the live coverage? The answer is, hey baby, pull back the curtain. What’s behind door number one? Oh yeah, money, followers, subscribers, live stream audiences.

[00:27:27] Kay: I’m gonna push back on one thing that you just said, and that is that not everybody has the ability to evacuate.

[00:27:34] Alferia: Yeah, I-

[00:27:36] Kay: My, my sister in law actually didn’t evacuate from Milton, even though her and her husband were in the evacuation zone for Milton, because she was a first responder.

[00:27:44] Uncle Shane: But they didn’t say, but they didn’t do it because they’re stupid. They couldn’t.

[00:27:48] Alferia: Or you’re in Wheat County, Florida, during Ian and you decide to not issue your evacuation order until 24 hours before landfall, and your response is to why is: UHH.

[00:27:57] Uncle Shane: Okay, let me back up. Everyone who responsibly… irresponsibly stayed. That covers everybody. If you can’t leave-

[00:28:06] Gabriel: And Shane, let me interject one thing real quick, just to bridge the gap between you and Kay, I think that the main thing there is that those people still don’t need live coverage. There’s nothing that is going to be covered live by a storm chaser that’s gonna help your family members who decided to stay. It’s not like a tornado where it’s like, Hey, this storm is 50 miles southwest of your town. It’s heading to the northeast in your direction. Please take cover immediately. There’s a hurricane coming. You know what a hurricane does. You don’t need to be told to go into your basement or into a room with interior walls or anything.

[00:28:34] Kay: No. See that I 100% don’t- yeah, that I don’t disagree with. There’s a reason why I don’t really care that much for hurricane chasing. I think it’s a lot of clout unless you are out there chasing the tornadoes that come with it because those are quite sudden spin ups and can cause a lot of issues. For example, the tornado outbreak that was historic in Florida before Milton. But yeah, I just, I have family in Florida and I also am well aware that not everybody can afford to or is able to evacuate. They might be able to afford it, but they might be disabled and can’t get where they need to go, things like that. So anyway, continue Shane.

[00:29:06] Uncle Shane: Okay. Let me take a deep breath and… whew, you got me. You got me- I was a little, I broad brushed that. Okay.

[00:29:12] Gabriel: Yeah. Put some ass into it this time.

[00:29:14] Uncle Shane: Alright. If you’re disabled, If you can’t physically or financially afford it, or if you’re not getting any information, okay you’re over here in the safe zone, everyone else, fuck you. Now lemme continue. And I’m not, I’m fine if you are a, or if you’re a chaser and you go down there and that’s your lifeblood and that’s your fucking shit, I’m no longer a chaser, so this is really fucking weird to me looking from the outside in… I get it. If you can pull it off and do it and make your life and your livelihood from it, do it. But when things get, this is, let me throw back to what Gabe was talking about, the rock star thing and the big titties. If you’re a rock star, you don’t only get fame and glory, you get negativity. There are going to be people that hate you as much as people that love you. So when it goes badly, and the local sheriff doesn’t want to take pictures and snuggle up to you and say what greatness you are and how you brought all this great shit to their community. When they want to kick you in your ass and put cuffs on you and throw you under the jail, fucking deal with it. But you don’t deal with it. You do the same thing you always do. What can I [do to make] this better for me and my fucking followers? Oh, let’s go to social media and let’s spread it all over the world. And like you said, also, let’s make me into a martyr. You’re not a martyr. You’re a storm chaser. Believe me, I was one for 28 years and guess what? It didn’t matter ever in 28 years. Nothing about being a storm chaser made me more important than any other human being for one fraction of a second in my existence. And that goes for all of you assholes.

[00:30:35] Kay: Shane says, “back in my day-“

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[00:31:23] uncle Shane: Yeah, exactly. Back in my day. You know what, I got a cane in my car in case my back goes out.

[00:31:29] Gabriel: Yeah, I was gonna say, Shane, you were talking about how you can’t get a rental car anymore when you’re storm chasing, and I was just a little confused ’cause I thought you were actually riding dinosaurs back when you chased.

[00:31:38] Uncle Shane: You know that, what’s that little green bastard that everyone takes a picture of?

[00:31:42] Alferia: Yoshi.

[00:31:42] Gabriel: …What?

[00:31:43] Uncle Shane: Yeah, it’s- my God, come up with something new. That’s a whole other thing.

[00:31:45] Gabriel: God dammit. Algeria.

[00:31:47] Uncle Shane: He knows. He knows. But just to close it out really quickly, it’s look, do your thing. What this comes down to is storm chasers, like you said, I’m just basically, I’m just basically parroting off of Gabe, it’s like they’re rock stars. They’re martyrs, they think that they’re this, they think they’re that, and 99% of the time it goes well for them. The 1% that it doesn’t, take your fucking lumps, man. Roll with the punches, show a little fucking class. Whoa, this is like the political shit I talked about on the, on the last DCS episode. You’re not gonna win every fucking game. Don’t be a bad sport. Deal with it and go home.

[00:32:21] Kay: Amen. I think it speaks though, like just overall social media to a big, like wider problem that we’ve got in society nowadays, where everything has to be sensationalized because that’s how you get noticed and not everything is sensational. It’s not. Me going and getting my fucking breakfast in the morning is not that big of a deal. It’s pretty tasty, but it’s, I don’t need to tweet that out to my, 50 followers that I’ve got.

[00:32:42] Uncle Shane: I understand. That’s that’s exactly right. But you know what, there’s somebody doing that. Somebody’s doing that. And there’s 300, 000 people looking at her eating mangoes on a fucking patio at five in the morning. Oh yeah. You chew so eloquently…

[00:32:57] Kay: It’s the victimhood mentality that comes with being on social media anymore now. And it’s just, it’s honestly just the inherent selfishness of people because of the internet. I, I am a boomer. I’m 27, but I am a boomer, and I think that the internet is one of the best and worst things that could have been created.

[00:33:14] Uncle Shane: You’re not a boomer. You’re not a boomer. You’re a Gen Xer. You dumb little Gen Z bastards are too fucking stupid. They’re not boomers. Boomers are dead. They’re Gen Xers. The forgotten generation.

[00:33:24] Kay: I don’t care what generation it is-

[00:33:28] Uncle Shane: Not you. I’m not, that wasn’t to you. That was to all the other assholes.

[00:33:31] Kay: Okay, cool.

[00:33:31] Gabriel: I thought we were going-

[00:33:32] Uncle Shane: I love you.

[00:33:32] Gabriel: -I was going to say, I thought we were going to fight for a second.

[00:33:34] Uncle Shane: Nah, I love Kay.

[00:33:36] Alferia: I’d like to get my perspective in this.

[00:33:39] Gabriel: Yep, go for it, Alferia.

[00:33:40] Kay: It’s not allowed.

[00:33:41] Gabriel: Alright, time’s up. Sorry, we’re gonna move on now.

[00:33:44] Alferia: No, fuck you!

[00:33:45] Uncle Shane: I’m gonna get a drink.

[00:33:47] Gabriel: Go for it, Algeria.

[00:33:48] Alferia: This is actually an issue that I’ve had with the chasing community for a little bit, right? The first thing to go over is the fact that in really bad situations, if you don’t have media credentials, you could technically be arrested for suspected looting. There is a curfew, you are going in the middle of a storm, if you don’t identify yourself there is a chance that they have a reason to arrest you and it is suspected looting. Now, will that hold up in court? Probably not. But, it speaks to a larger issue at hand, because I remember, this was something that my 8th grade social studies teacher told our class.

[00:34:25] Kay: That’s very specific.

[00:34:27] Alferia: During Alberto ’94 when the National Guard was putting sandbags up on I think it was the Okomogi River, or the Flint River, essentially, if they didn’t agree to do it, they would be arrested for suspected looting because they were going into an area that was heavily flooded.

[00:34:42] Gabriel: I know that was a big problem, actually, with Hurricane Helene. I saw some reports from actual credible sources talking about how people were getting arrested for looting the towns that had been destroyed.

[00:34:51] Kay: Yeah, I saw a lot of reports of people who basically were walking around and surveying their property and patrolling it with their guns because the looting was such a bad problem, especially in North Carolina.

[00:35:00] Alferia: Now, this brings me to another point, which is that some people are like how are these other news meteorologists able to do it? I’m like, it’s called they have media credentials and a pass from the local PD. You wanna know how I know this? It’s because they are the news media. They aren’t as stupid as your local storm chaser with 300 subs on YouTube. I’m sorry.

[00:35:22] Kay: There is a whole process that you have to go to as news media to be allowed into a disaster zone like that. And, reiterating Shane’s point, he’s not even here to see that I, hear that I agree with him, but I’m reiterating it anyway. Hey, he’s back. It’s a hurricane. You’re not going to be doing any good until after the storm system has passed. It’s not like a tornado where you’re obviously giving advanced warning times and then are there immediately afterwards. It takes days for a hurricane to pass through. So you can’t even say that you’re there to help with the disaster afterwards because you’re there four days prior to the event even happening.

[00:35:57] Alferia: Now, back to what I was saying. I don’t think that hurricane chasing entirely is pointless because I’ve seen this happen and there is valuable data to collect scientifically. There is. And if you’re chasing with that in mind and you’re like, Hey, I’m doing this other thing for, I think there’s more, from a scientific point of view, merit to that. But of course, if you’re doing it to do money or whatever, fucking, I don’t care. Do whatever. I guess you’re not selling, I don’t know, drugs? So I’d rather you do that and not sell drugs, if it means anything. But no, it’s this entire problem that really pissed me off during Otis last year because there was a few people who were like, God, I wish I was in Acapulco, Mexico right now. Fucking insensitive, that sounds to say that to people that who lived in Acapulco, who had virtually no warning that essentially what was a out of nowhere Category 5 was about to hit their city.

[00:36:51] Kay: It again speaks to the wider selfishness of people that we have on social media nowadays. It’s all me I, everything’s about me, and when it stops being about me, how fucking dare you?

[00:37:02] Uncle Shane: Yep.

[00:37:03] Alferia: In general, it speaks to the problem of if you’re Joe Schmoe going in hurricane chasing, there’s so much more that can go wrong with hurricane chasing. And if the police officers have to save your dumb ass, then they aren’t spending it saving the people who actually couldn’t get out or decided to not stay out because they’re dumb asses like Shane said.

[00:37:25] Kay: I gotta say that if I was in a hurricane path, and the first responders and police had to go save a storm chaser and therefore couldn’t save my family because the storm chaser was being a stupid, like moron chasing the hurricane and being unsafe doing so I’d be pretty pissed.

[00:37:44] Gabriel: Yeah, that’s actually something I’ve talked about on a prior Drama Report, I believe it was a prior Drama Report episode. Storm Chasers to me, they remind me of like the surfers who get bit by sharks and the rock climbers like fall off a cliff and like need to be like helicopter rescued. You do something extreme, like I’m all for it. Like you take your life in your own hands. You want to do something extreme. I get it. That’s what gets you high. That’s what you live for. You found your passion. Cool. But, I draw the line people say how are you going to ever draw a line in the sand? You know what? I have drawn an arbitrary line in the sand. It’s basically if you do something for pleasure that potentially puts other people at risk when they have to come save you or drains resources from other people who might need help who didn’t choose to put themselves in the path of harm for pleasure, then I mean at that point I think you just get to bleed out. And I got a lot of shit for that, but like you get in a vehicle and you roll your car chasing a tornado. Yeah. Like you just, maybe call some other chasers. Crawl your way to the nearest gas station if you need to, but-

[00:38:42] Uncle Shane: You know how to chase. You’ll never roll in a car. Anybody out there – I’m retired, but if you guys want to know how to safely chase a storm and not be hit by a tornado, I’m the only one left that hasn’t been, I’ll tell you for free because I’m not a fucking idiot. It’s easy.

[00:38:55] Kay: Shane, will you take me storm chasing?

[00:38:57] Uncle Shane: You want to go with someone who’s better than me. That’s my honest answer. You want to take you to someone that’ll actually get you a tornado. Uncle Shane sucks now.

[00:39:05] Alferia: I guess you could say… it’s just a skill issue.

[00:39:12] [collective grumbling]

[00:39:14] Uncle Shane: Very nice.

[00:39:15] Gabriel: Little foreshadowing. So I originally, when Chaser Chat like relaunched or whatever you want to call it, I had Alferia wind up to put an episode out like once every two or three months, and we’re going to call the series of episodes Skill Issue with Alferia.

[00:39:30] Kay: But apparently it’s a skill issue because he hasn’t uploaded yet. I know. I know. I’m teasing. I’m teasing. So to be fair, we did record like an hour long Twisters review and then my electricity just poofed and we lost the recording.

[00:39:45] Gabriel: Oh no. Oh no. How did I never hear about this?

[00:39:49] Kay: You should have heard about it. You just forgot it.

[00:39:51] Gabriel: Okay…

[00:39:52] Uncle Shane: You guys should do that again.

[00:39:53] Gabriel: Anyways, not to throw too much shade Alferia’s way. He and I have been in contact this whole time, and as soon as his schedule clears up a bit, he is down to record some solo episodes, or if he wants to bring people on, he can record with people either way. And I think from what you and I had last talked about out there, you said maybe December, January, sometime around that timeframe.

[00:40:12] Alferia: Yeah.

[00:40:13] Kay: Alferia, we can record a podcast episode talking about anime.

[00:40:17] Gabriel: There you go. Sonic and anime.

[00:40:19] Uncle Shane: They’re not too far apart from an outsider looking in.

[00:40:22] Kay: They’re… really not.

[00:40:24] Alferia: No, they’re not.

[00:40:25] Kay: Sonic and Shadow Generation was a great game, by the way.

[00:40:29] Uncle Shane: Sonic makes me think of my favorite chili cheeseburgers on earth. So that’s why I have an affinity for it.

[00:40:35] Kay: Sonic is the entire reason I’m getting married, so.

[00:40:39] Gabriel: Cheesy tots are good like that.

[00:40:40] Uncle Shane: You gotta use American cheese the way you’re supposed to, the way nature intended. Ah.

[00:40:44] Gabriel: Yeah. I was going to say-

[00:40:45] Kay: .. Alferia, that was not me being a dick. It was just me jibing at you.

[00:40:50] Gabriel: -when we – don’t apologize! I like-

[00:40:52] Uncle Shane: Do that again.

[00:40:53] Gabriel: I would never-

[00:40:54] Uncle Shane: I’m just giving you some, I’m just fucking pulling your chain, man.

[00:40:57] Gabriel: I don’t think that was a villain voice. I thought that was like a one of those like phone sex operator voices from back in the 80s.

[00:41:03] Kay: Oh god, no!

[00:41:06] Gabriel: Borderline – it was borderline sultry. I was like-

[00:41:08] Uncle Shane: I feel like we have successfully gone off the rails and mission accomplished. I love it. .

[00:41:12] Kay: Okay so you were saying Gabe?

[00:41:14] Gabriel: Yes. The last thing I wanted to mention, Alferia, I thought you made a great point about the, you and Kay both, about the selfishness of storm chasers and I just want to put a little, little extra emphasis on it to say like I’m a human being I am selfish as well. So I don’t think it’s just a selfish issue because I have like in my mind I see a really cool tornado that did a ton of damage to a town and I am thinking to myself Man, I wish I would have went out and chased the storm. I wish I was in Buttfuck, Kansas right now, because then I would have got to watch this tornado. But, you don’t tweet it. You don’t say it. It’s also an awareness issue. Just because you think it and you actually might have wanted to be there. I have selfish thoughts all the time because I’m a human. We all do. You just don’t have to-

[00:41:52] Kay: I was gonna say, I’m gonna interrupt for 30 seconds to amend what I said, and it’s not just selfishness of storm chasers. We just see it a lot because we’re part of that community. It’s the selfishness of people on the internet in general. It is “everything is about me” because that’s what social media has become.

[00:42:12] Gabriel: And it’s easy, too. When you’re typing something, you don’t have to interface with somebody eye to eye, face to face. You don’t have to actually say those words and then see their reactions. It’s a lot easier to type things out. So that’s just, yeah, it ends up being a place where the worst impulses of humankind tend to flourish.

[00:42:27] Kay: Oh, yeah, that’s why we tend to get really nasty trolls on the internet is because we’ve been able to hide behind a keyboard for the last 15 years and not get sucker punched in the nose.

[00:42:34] Uncle Shane: Yeah, the anonymity is like it’s mosquitoes and water.

[00:42:37] Kay: Yeah.

[00:42:37] Gabriel: What is it that Mike Tyson says? I love the the quote where he says “a lot of people have gotten way too comfortable with not getting punched in the face”.

[00:42:46] Kay: Yes.

[00:42:47] Uncle Shane: Which is an extension of “everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face”.

[00:42:51] Kay: It’s both.

[00:42:52] Alferia: To tie this all together, I have a very simple way to put it this way; be careful of how you express something, and some things should stay in your head. For example, if I see a big pair of anime mammatus, you don’t see me tweeting out ooga booga 20 times over.

[00:43:06] Uncle Shane: But if you did, I would respect you.

[00:43:08] Alferia: Okay-

[00:43:09] Kay: I’ve seen some anime thirst tweets on your Twitter account.

[00:43:12] Gabriel: You had me- you had me-

[00:43:14] Uncle Shane: Hey, I got an old guy question. Does thirst mean horny?

[00:43:17] Kay: Yes.

[00:43:18] Gabriel: Yes.

[00:43:18] Alferia: Yes.

[00:43:19] Gabriel: Yes.

[00:43:19] Uncle Shane: Oh! I thought that meant you just wanted it in general, like a Coke or an ice cream.

[00:43:23] Kay: No, it is a code word for horny because horny is too obvious.

[00:43:26] Uncle Shane: Well! Get ready for some thirsty tweets from Uncle Shane then.

[00:43:29] Kay: Do it, Shane! Do it!

[00:43:31] Gabriel: Alferia, you had me with that whole point you were making until you used yourself as the example because I’m fairly certain I’ve seen you tweet anime mammatus followed up by ooga booga, ooga booga, something like that.

[00:43:45] Kay: I have personally seen this and it was right after I followed him on Twitter.

[00:43:50] Alferia: Congratulations, folks. There’s a- I was told when I made my channel, I should make a channel Twitter that is separate from my own Twitter, and I said, no, fuck that. That is lame. And you know what? I still stand by that. That is lame.

[00:44:04] [Garbled] .

[00:44:09] Uncle Shane: Twitter is very close to Titter when you think about it.

[00:44:13] Kay: You are right.

[00:44:13] Alferia: So is Twitch.

[00:44:15] Kay: Anyway, I respect it, Alferia.

[00:44:16] Gabriel: What was the tweet the other day? Femboys are basically… fem boys are basically the same thing as girls when you think about it? Something along-

[00:44:23] Uncle Shane: I spent 30 seconds on that. It’s brilliant about it. It’s brilliant. I spent 30 seconds going, he’s right. He’s right. He’s fucking-

[00:44:30] Kay: And I was mad about it too. Oh, boy. Alright. Solid.

[00:44:35] Gabriel: Okay. So we’ve got one last topic we’re going to cover. We’re actually going to shelf the topic of revolving around Rosie because she’s not actually able to make it. She sent me a message. She said she had an unexpected visitor show up. So we’re going to hit that next Drama Report episode. It was you visiting.

[00:44:52] Alferia: I just teleported to some Bumfuck, Ohio.

[00:44:55] Uncle Shane: Man, I wish we had teleportation or at least that thing-

[00:44:58] Alferia: I gave her the pizza that you ordered.

[00:45:00] Uncle Shane: Yeah, just make food appear. That would be so good. Okay.

[00:45:03] Kay: But real talk though, if we were to have ordered a pizza, what kind of pizza would we have ordered?

[00:45:08] Uncle Shane: I’ll go last.

[00:45:09] Gabriel: Cheese pizza.

[00:45:10] Kay: We said cheese. Alferia?

[00:45:11] Gabriel: Just cheese.

[00:45:13] Alferia: Just cheese. No bread? No sauce? Just cheese?

[00:45:16] Gabriel: No cheese pizza, like extra cheese. I’m feeling a little spicy.

[00:45:20] Kay: One of the places that I used to love going before I developed a gluten and a dairy allergy ’cause I’m that person, was a balsamic chicken Alfredo pizza. And it was delicious. And it’s my favorite thing ever. And I can’t have it anymore.

[00:45:32] Uncle Shane: I’m so sorry. My favorite would be a thin crust, large six cheese Tuscan with Alfredo sauce. Yum.

[00:45:38] Kay: Yooo, that sounds delicious .

[00:45:40] Alfeia: wait you want my sauce? What?

[00:45:42] Uncle Shane: I said Alfredo, not Algeria.

[00:45:45] Alferia: Okay. Everybody either calls me Algeria or Alfredo. There was no in between.

[00:45:51] Kay: You’re Algeria in this podcast.

[00:45:53] Gabriel: Just to clarify, no one on this show will be enjoying Alferia sauce. End of story.

[00:45:58] Uncle Shane: Oh, God. Go ahead and nix that pizza thing, because now we’ve got to come up with something new.

[00:46:03] Gabriel: We’re done with this strain of thought. We’re done.

[00:46:05] Alferia: [garbled]

[00:46:07] Gabriel: No, I said anyways, you ruined it, Alferia. You ruined it. We’re moving on to the last topic, which is people leaving Twitter, or at least saying they are. Now once every, we’ll say three to six months, something happens. People don’t like Elon Musk. People don’t like the direction Twitter’s going. They don’t like what changed in the terms of service just happened. And they all… They get themselves in a tizzy. I feel like they also feed upon one another’s energy. Somebody starts to complain and whine about how Twitter is awful, and then somebody else is yeah, you know what? He’s right. Twitter is awful. And then they take the ball-

[00:46:42] Kay: That was really good voice acting.

[00:46:44] Uncle Shane: It was. It made me think of a 50s cartoon. N’yeah! N’yeah!.

[00:46:47] Gabriel: That’s what I was going for. That’s what it feels like. They all start talking to one another, they get each other all riled up, and then by the end of the day, all I see on Twitter are screenshots of people’s Blue Sky accounts telling people “I’m just gonna leave this here, you can follow me I think I’m about done here.” first of all, I want to go ahead and put this out there. Twitter is not an airport. You don’t have to announce your departure.

[00:47:11] Uncle Shane: If assholes could fly, it would be.

[00:47:13] Gabriel: That in and of itself is always what’s funny to me. If I leave one day, I’m leaving. I’m just done. You’re not gonna know where I left to, I’m just, I’m out here.

[00:47:21] Kay: If you ever leave Twitter, I, it would be a very prompt phone call to ask if you’re okay.

[00:47:26] Gabriel: So-

[00:47:26] Uncle Shane: That’s love.

[00:47:27] Gabriel: That, that is always funny to me that people feel like they have to announce it. It just goes with that whole like self-importance thing. I think it’s really funny.

[00:47:32] Uncle Shane: Bingo.

[00:47:33] Gabriel: What’s even funnier is the lack of understanding of network effects because you can’t make new social media happen. If you look at Threads how all of a sudden Meta is ” you know what? We have a great idea. Let’s just go ahead and create a competitor to Twitter”, and we have all these people that use Facebook, we have all these people that use Instagram. We’re just gonna inundate them with this new thing called Threads. We’re gonna try to get them all over there, and it’s been out for over a year now. And you look at it, and the engagement is in the fucking toilet. I wouldn’t be surprised-

[00:48:02] Kay: Maybe that’s where I should move.

[00:48:04] Gabriel: And it’s just hilarious to me because network effects are everything. They have to happen organically. Social media is an emergent phenomena. It’s not something that you can synthetically cause to happen. And because of that fact-

[00:48:17] Uncle Shane: Look at Google+. That failed greatly.

[00:48:20] Gabriel: Oh my God. And I remember the same thing happened like 10 years ago, people were like, we’re leaving Facebook for good for Google+, and that lasted all of a year before it shut down. The moral of the story here is that if you’re prepared to leave, that’s fine, leave. But if you’re going to leave, don’t expect that you’re going to be able to just build up something new where everybody’s there. Because the network effects, the idea is basically the reason a place becomes like a town square type place that everybody gathers and communicates is because everybody else is there. So if you try to go somewhere else where everybody isn’t there, then you actually lose what made the other thing special in the first place. And I get that people don’t like certain aspects of Twitter or Elon Musk. I’ll leave that to the listener to decide for themselves, but it just, It won’t work is what I’m saying. Like either has to be organic or it’s not gonna happen. There’s a reason why we have WX Twitter and we don’t have WX Tumblr or WX Minds.com.

[00:49:09] Kay: Could you imagine WX Tumblr though?

[00:49:11] Uncle Shane: Isn’t that like a dating site?

[00:49:13] Gabriel: Oh Jesus Christ, don’t even say it.

[00:49:15] Uncle Shane: That’s why you don’t have one because they don’t date.

[00:49:17] Kay: I am going to quote my, my person who has no idea who I am, but one of my favorite people on earth, and his name is Les Stroud, he is Survivorman, and he has a podcast of his own where he talked about this for a half an hour, and he basically said that social media is a toxic cesspit unless you do it correctly. His favorite button on YouTube is the block button, and Facebook is like the backyard barbecue where you go and hang out with just your friends. Twitter is the town hall where you go and interact with everybody because you have no choice otherwise. And Instagram is just a photo album.

[00:49:51] Uncle Shane: That’s perfect. And I hate the Facebook is like all the people of your past that you haven’t talked to in 20 years that get mad when you don’t reply 12 times to their, “Hey, how you been?”

[00:50:01] Kay: Okay. Every once in a while I do put out a tweet- er not a tweet, a Facebook post on my personal, like private Facebook. And I just announce, hey, graduate update who’s not dead yet from my high school. And every once in a while, it’s nice to see where everybody’s at. It’s nice to see that, because I like to look at people’s success stories. Now, it’s especially hilarious when I find out who all went to prison, but…

[00:50:24] Uncle Shane: I’m right there with you. But I like Twitter because I like to go into a bar where they don’t know my name and I can sit there quietly and have my drinks and just observe and not be, ” Hey man, how come you haven’t been to church lately?” “How come you haven’t been to the family gathering?” Facebook is everybody fucking knows me and it’s I don’t want to be seen. That’s why I’m not on it.

[00:50:40] Alferia: Okay, so this is where I come in-

[00:50:42] Gabriel: Two thoughts real quick, before Alferia, before you go, two thoughts. First of all, Kay, where you said the Texas, or not Texas, the toxic cesspool-

[00:50:50] Uncle Shane: Same thing.

[00:50:50] Gabriel: I will push back and say, yeah. Oh no, we’re going to have a lot of mad people now. You did it. You really did it this time, Shane.

[00:50:56] Kay: The Texas Cesspool. Yay!

[00:51:00] Gabriel: You said that, that guy says Twitter, social media is like a toxic cesspool, unless you do it correctly. I would push back and say it’s a toxic cesspool if you’re doing it correctly. That’s one of the reasons I, as a chaotic neutral, there’s nothing I love more than logging onto Twitter and seeing everybody losing their minds in a multitude of directions.

[00:51:19] Uncle Shane: You’re right. Every picture of you ever seen, you look like there’s chaos in your face and behind your eyes and in your mind and in your heart, I can see it.

[00:51:28] Kay: I know-

[00:51:28] Gabriel: …Chaos in my heart. Yes. Yes, I do.

[00:51:30] Kay: I talk to Gabe enough that I can definitely say he is just chaos.

[00:51:36] Uncle Shane: Isn’t he a great interviewer and interviewee?

[00:51:39] Kay: I don’t know. It’s just a lot of fun being, being a chaotic good.

[00:51:43] Gabriel: Kay, you got to cut, you got to cut all this out. This is way too kind to me. This all needs to get cut out.

[00:51:47] Uncle Shane: That’s how you kill him. You kill him with kindness. Literally.

[00:51:49] Kay: Yeah! It’s great.

[00:51:51] Gabriel: No, I can confirm knives and guns also work as well.

[00:51:55] Uncle Shane: How are you still here?

[00:51:56] Kay: Alright. Anyway, Alferia-

[00:51:57] Gabriel: I had something. No, I had one of the thing I wanted to say. So that was your point. And then God, Shane said something, but now I forgot. Thanks a lot, you guys. Appreciate you being nice and making me forget what I was going to say.

[00:52:07] Kay: Skill issue.

[00:52:09] Alferia: So I don’t think it’s a bad idea to diversify your platform, but if you’re going to leave Twitter, I’m sorry, but you’re making a mistake because Twitter is the only place where Three Year Letterman exists, and he is the second coming of Christ. Please follow Three Year Letterman on Twitter for epic takes.

[00:52:27] Gabriel: Wait, what?

[00:52:28] Alferia: Please follow Three Year Letterman to letter and shit.

[00:52:32] Kay: If I go and look this up and it turns out to be some anime account…

[00:52:35] Alferia: No, it is better than an anime account. It is a professional troll.

[00:52:39] Kay: That’s a high praise coming from you. Okay.

[00:52:41] Alferia: One of his last tweets: “remember that last month of senior year of high school when you just stopped giving a fuck?”

[00:52:47] Kay: I love it.

[00:52:47] Uncle Shane: That was the whole year really, but yeah, go ahead.

[00:52:51] Kay: My issue with Twitter right now is a multi fold issue. First off, I don’t really care that much for Elon Musk. He’s your typical billionaire who has “Fuck You” money, so there’s that. And he can do whatever he wants with the platform. My biggest issue is going on to a different topic regarding AI and AI art specifically, in that, as an artist, I can no longer post my art to my Twitter account because they’re going to be training Grok, or whatever it’s called, on my artwork, and I hate that, and I’m not going to get compensated for that. And it’s just a lot of, it’s just a lot of bots. I have to go through and delete all of the porn bots that work their way into my messages because I have a public profile. It’s-

[00:53:34] Gabriel: Wait, wait, how do you get porn bots in your messages?

[00:53:37] Uncle Shane: He’s scratching-

[00:53:39] [garbled]

[00:53:40] Uncle Shane: They love me.

[00:53:41] Kay: Yeah, actually, no, it’s actually true. It’s because I’m a woman on the internet.

[00:53:44] Gabriel: I was gonna say-

[00:53:45] Alferia: If I were to go on to my messages I have what, “hi, you seem very friendly, can we be friends?” No, friends are for losers, fuck you.

[00:53:53] Uncle Shane: No, it’s not 1934, bitch, fuck off.

[00:53:56] Gabriel: Help me. Please help me. My MetaMask wallet has been hacked.

[00:54:00] Kay: I have come, beauties from your countries are at your door, and I’m, it’s from some, that’s very clearly obvious bot account.

[00:54:07] Alferia: Hot MILFs in your area!

[00:54:09] Uncle Shane: Even the bots don’t like me anymore.

[00:54:11] Kay: Yeah, I just block and report them, but, legitimately, that’s my problem.

[00:54:14] Uncle Shane: Maybe that worked! Maybe I blocked enough of them where they’re like, Okay, fuck this guy, and they moved on.

[00:54:18] Kay: So many blocked. Oh, and that brings up a whole other thing, okay? Speaking of being a woman on the internet, do you have any idea how dangerous it is to remove the block button? It’s actually illegal in multiple countries to not have your social media have a block button that actually blocks accounts from viewing your profile. The amount of friends that I have online who are on Twitter who have their stalkers blocked and all of their accounts blocked because they were stalking and literally threatening to kill them at gunpoint is absurd. It’s a huge safety problem.

[00:54:50] Gabriel: Kay, one thing I want to say in response, not to the blocking thing, because I agree that’s weird to not let the blocking feature still be there, but whatever. It’s really funny to me when people talk about Elon Musk and claim that he’s an idiot or that he’s stupid. And this doesn’t just go for Elon Musk, this goes for any person who has accomplished anything of great import in their life. You don’t have to agree with them. You can even think that they’re just dead wrong, their philosophy’s off, that their politics are dog shit, and that’s all fair game. But, to me, it’s almost It’s revealing the inverse of what you think it is. When you call somebody who’s clearly highly accomplished and has spent thousands of hours mastering their craft and is clearly at least intelligent in some tangible way, because you can see the results, the fruits of their labor, and you call them stupid, you on Twitter with, 170 followers who works a 9-5 for somebody else’s company and you call them stupid? That to me is more like holding up a mirror and saying it to yourself as opposed to actually talking about the person. So anyways that’s the thing. That’s one of the things that I always find so hilarious is disagree with the person. Say you think the decision is awful, but like just like resort to ad hominem. Like you, you probably don’t win that battle.

[00:56:01] Kay: So first off… you hired me. If you’re hiring me after calling Elon Musk stupid.

[00:56:07] Gabriel: Hey, look in the mirror, baby. That’s all I’m saying.

[00:56:10] Kay: Just saying.

[00:56:10] Uncle Shane: Y’all know that meme where the dude’s eating popcorn and like staring at the…? That’s me right now.

[00:56:16] Kay: Yeah. To be clear, okay, I’m gonna, I’m gonna, better explain my thing, okay? When you are somebody like Elon Musk, and I will fully say that he is an incredibly intelligent person, like he’s, there’s two different kinds of stupidity that I am referring to when I say somebody is stupid. There is, you are actually unintelligent, in which case, I will just not say that to your face. And then there is Socially Stupid, and Elon Musk is firmly on the cusp of socially stupid. He is so smart, and has done so much, and has quite literally billions of dollars of, to quote my dad, “fuck you money”, and he can do whatever he wants.

[00:56:51] Uncle Shane: I love your dad.

[00:56:52] Kay: Yeah, my dad’s a great guy. Shoutouts to dad. I don’t know if you’re actually hearing this, but, good person. Anyway. When you have that kind of money, it creates a disconnect, and this is not just an Elon Musk thing. This is almost anybody who has that kind of money. But I think the only person that I can think of off the top of my head, and I’ve never met this person, that seems to still have a heart is Taylor Swift. But No, he’s very intelligent, and I’m happy to give credit where credit’s due, he’s done a lot, but he’s also socially so far away from everybody and firmly believes, in my opinion and the way that he acts, that he is better than everybody, that it creates, that’s why people don’t like him.

[00:57:32] Uncle Shane: Can I interject real quick? I am ashamed that I know this, but Taylor Swift is not in the same category. She’s only worth $700 million. I’m sorry, I know-

[00:57:41] Kay: This is not true. Her net worth is over a billion dollars.

[00:57:44] Uncle Shane: Are you kidding me?

[00:57:45] Alferia: I will make one small comment. I can confirm that he is socially stupid as to quote a certain governor, Elon Musk does jump around like a dipshit.

[00:57:56] Kay: So anyway, all that to be, all of that to be said, I think that while he is an incredibly intelligent person, it seems to be a running theme with people who have high IQs in certain areas, whether it be emotional intelligence, actual intelligence, whatever it is, that you tend to compromise in other areas of being a person. And it seems like Elon Musk’s compromise has been socially.

[00:58:22] Uncle Shane: It’s true. You don’t have to be a billionaire. You can just be highly intelligent. I know a lot of really smart fucking people who are broke who are fucking socially fucked.

[00:58:30] Kay: Yeah, and that’s true. I know, I have, I know a lot of people who are incredibly intelligent and struggle socially or struggle emotionally because they’re so smart that their brain doesn’t understand emotions. There’s-

[00:58:40] Alferia: Autism.

[00:58:41] Uncle Shane: Like a psychopath.

[00:58:42] Alferia: Autism.

[00:58:43] Kay: I love how we went neurodivergent, and ASPD-

[00:58:46] Gabriel: I like how Ophelia turns into a broken record, just starts saying autism over and over again.

[00:58:50] Alferia: It’s my superpower!

[00:58:52] Kay: I was gonna say it’s the autism.

[00:58:54] Gabriel: No, it’s, I was gonna, I was gonna say it actually makes me think you’re a Pokemon and that’s just what your name is.

[00:58:59] Kay: Speaking from experience as an AuDHD person, yeah, that is our Pokemon chant is autism or ADHD.

[00:59:06] Gabriel: Autism. All right, on that note, I have to leave this recording studio in five minutes. Any final thoughts? I’m going to leave the floor open to all three of you.

[00:59:17] Uncle Shane: Thanks for having me.

[00:59:19] Gabriel: You’re welcome, Shane. You’re welcome.

[00:59:20] Kay: We are an Uncle Shane Stan podcast. Go listen to his DCS.

[00:59:24] Uncle Shane: What does Stan mean?

[00:59:26] Kay: Fan.

[00:59:28] Uncle Shane: Oh.

[00:59:29] Gabriel: It came from the song Stan by Eminem from 20 years ago.

[00:59:33] Uncle Shane: I have wondered what that meant all fucking afternoon since you put-

[00:59:36] Gabriel: Yeah, so Stan was an obsessed fan with Eminem’s character and that song back in the day.

[00:59:40] Uncle Shane: Thank you. I apologize for being slow.

[00:59:42] Gabriel: Yep. When someone calls someone a Stan, they’re like, they’re basically making, it’s like a lighthearted way of making fun of them saying they’re like an obsessed fan over something.

[00:59:49] Uncle Shane: I’m the opposite of Elon Musk. I am highly, I can deal with the masses. I can walk amongst the people, but I don’t know shit about anything else. That’s all.

[00:59:57] Kay: We have established that you’d storm chased on dinosaurs, so.

[01:00:00] Uncle Shane: I was so good. I was dynastic.

[01:00:03] Gabriel: By the way, Kay, I love Papa Elon. Daddy can do whatever he wants to Twitter and I’m fine with it.

[01:00:08] Kay: I…

[01:00:09] Alferia: Simp.

[01:00:10] Kay: You know what? I’m gonna leave it with Alferia. That was… that. Yes. I can respectfully disagree with him, but I’m not going to listen to a damn thing, he says.

[01:00:20] Gabriel: This has been a podcast, everyone. I’m not entirely sure if it was good or not, but it has, in fact, been a podcast. So I want to thank Shane, Kay, and Algeria all for hanging out with me here for an hour or so.

[01:00:31] Uncle Shane: Algeria.

[01:00:33] GooKay: Good ol’ Algeria.

[01:00:34] Alferia: This has been a podcastst with your favorite continent, obviously. Thank you, Cass, for that one.

[01:00:42] Gabriel: Hopefully we’ll get Cass back on one of these shows again in the future. Alright, folks, thank you again, and we will be back next month, hopefully, with another episode. Take care.

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